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on October 8th 2019, 1:49 am
StrangerThingsFan77 wrote:Almost all of those are in reference to Anakin vs Vader and they're contradicted by Lucas. Insider 62 doesn't suggest he grew (both TFU and ESB can simultaneously be the height of his powers), and while the ROTJ quote does say he grew it doesn't really suggest how much he increased in power. All Force Users increase in power constantly, but we don't just assume MEGAGROWTH unless the quotes state the growth is massive, or if we have comparisons between the characters pre-boost and post-boost self (e.g. they fight character X and get stomped, but come back later and beat character X).
His power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. It shimmered from within, and resonated with the waves of darkness that flowed from the Emperor.
That should give an indication of how much he grew as of ROTJ
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on October 8th 2019, 2:59 am
So he’s vaguely stronger than his ESB self...... yay?
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on October 8th 2019, 3:22 am
That's not what the quote is saying, how is it being vague?
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on October 8th 2019, 3:24 am
It doesn't state the amount he grew. It is indeed vague.

As per Lucas Vader is always significantly less powerful than Anakin. So the quote is either completely invalid or just referring to ESB
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on October 8th 2019, 3:33 am
Why does it need to state the amount he grew? It's saying his power is great, greater than it have ever been, implying he grew a lot. Nothing retcons this. Vader and Anakin are two completely different characters, so we can use this quote without acknowledging Anakin


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on October 8th 2019, 3:43 am
It states he’s stronger than ever. He can be 5 percent stronger and still fit that description apropos ESB Vader.
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on October 8th 2019, 3:50 am
George has his own continuity tbh. Trying to blend his vision and EU just doesn’t work
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on October 8th 2019, 4:08 am
regardless of the amount of growth he received RoTJ is his prime version (in his suit that is) period .
but not even RoTJ vader is good enough to beat vaapad windu .
the other 3 members of B team are enough to beat galen or at least give him a fight till windu beats vader in a good fight
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on October 8th 2019, 4:55 am
@CuckedCurry wrote:George has his own continuity tbh. Trying to blend his vision and EU just doesn’t work

I’m starting to agree with this tbh, after looking into it a lot more.
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on October 8th 2019, 6:32 am
@CuckedCurry wrote:George has his own continuity tbh. Trying to blend his vision and EU just doesn’t work
Finally someone is saying it.
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on October 8th 2019, 6:38 am
Vorpal Blade wrote:It states he’s stronger than ever. He can be 5 percent stronger and still fit that description apropos ESB Vader.
Key words: Great and Greater
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on October 8th 2019, 12:02 pm
Grey basically said what I would have said. Vader's increase in power is vague and unquantifiable.

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on October 8th 2019, 12:15 pm
@CuckedCurry wrote:George has his own continuity tbh. Trying to blend his vision and EU just doesn’t work

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Lucas has explicitly stated that himself. Given the whole Legends/Canon split, there is no reason to force them to blend, either. The power levels never matched with the movies/shows, and some of the core ideas directly went against Lucas- wishes -- e.i. Sith spirits.

It has zero to do with me being bias for Vader either. When the Disnet split first happen, I said it wasn't a big deal to me, because the EU was always a non-canon alternate Universe when it came down to it.


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on October 8th 2019, 12:17 pm
Mace and B-Team wins. Windu is taking out who ever he battles, and the other three members can dog pile either Galen or Vader for a probable majority.
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on October 10th 2019, 6:04 am
On second thought, Kit solos.

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on October 10th 2019, 6:06 am
@Deronn_Solo wrote:Mace and B-Team wins. Windu is taking out who ever he battles, and the other three members can dog pile either Galen or Vader for a probable majority.

I think Vader has a chance of taking out at least two of B-team before dying, maybe even all three. I agree that the Jedi team still wins a majority though.
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on October 10th 2019, 6:08 am
I agree with BoD. Even if Galen was above Vader that only puts him near TPM Kenobi. While Kit is comfortably above AotC Kenobi. He oneshots Vader and then beats Galen.
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on October 10th 2019, 6:22 am
Kit Fisto is sub Padawan Qui-Gon probably.
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on October 10th 2019, 6:53 am
Vorpal Blade wrote:Kit Fisto is sub Padawan Qui-Gon probably.
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